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What follows in this post is a track listing for an imaginary Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly collection.

It does not exist, other than as a list. You cannot buy it in this form. You cannot download it, legally or otherwise.

If you want to hear it you need to have all of the following CDs:

From the Original Master Tapes (MCA compilation - 1985)
Reminiscing (MCA Compilation - 1990)
Moondreams (Pickwick/MFP Compilation - 1990)
The Buddy Holly Collection (MCA Compilation - 1993)
The Tex-Mex Fireball (Ace Compilation of tracks by The Fireballs - 1998)
The Complete Buddy Holly (Purple Chick bootleg - 2003)
Gotta Roll: The Early Recordings 1949-1955 (Rev-Ola Compilation - 2006)
Ohh! Annie! - The 1956 Sessions (Rollercoaster Records Compilation - 2007)
Not Fade Away: Buddy Holly 1957 -The Complete Recordings (El Toro Compilation - 2008)
Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings and More (Hip-O-Select Official boxed set - 2009)

You can then compile the set from those CDs on your PC, and burn new CDs or transfer to your mp3 player.

If you wish to delete some items as superfluous, that's fine.

If you want to know how the track list was arrived at, just read the rest of this thread.

If you have any suggestions as to where we might find better quality versions of these tracks, or any other tracks not mentioned here, please contribute at the end of the thread.

Best wishes and happy listening.



The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Final Track Listing

Correct for releases up to 27th January 2010

The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 1: 1949-1955

1. My Two-Timin’ Woman (Full Version) – GR 26
2. My Two-Timin’ Woman (Edited Version) – GR 22
3. I’ll Just Pretend NFAC 1/2
4. Take These Shackles From My Heart NFAC 1/3
5. Footprints in the Snow NFAC 1/4
6. Flower of My Heart NFAC 1/5
7. Door to My Heart NFAC 1/6
8. Soft Place in My Heart NFAC 1/7
9. Gotta Get You Near Me Blues NFAC 1/8
10. I Gambled My Heart NFAC 1/9
11. You and I Are Through (1st Version) NFAC 1/10
12. Down the Line (1st Version) NFAC 1/11
13. Baby Let’s Play House NFAC 1/12
14. Down the Line (2nd Version) PC 1/18
15. You and I are Through (2nd Version) PC 1/11
16. Baby It’s Love NFAC 1/15
17. Memories NFAC 1/18
18. Queen of the Ballroom NFAC 1/17
19. Moonlight Baby (a.k.a. Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight) (Nesman Version) NFAC 1/19
20. I Guess I Was Just a Fool (Nesman Version) NFAC 1/20
21. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ (Nesman Version) NFAC 1/21
22. Love Me (Nesman Version) NFAC 1/22

Running Time Approx 46 minutes

KEY:

GR = Gotta Roll
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed recordings from 1949-1955.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 2: January - November 1956

1. Midnight Shift O!A! 1/4
2. Midnight Shift (False Start) O!A! 1/5
3. Midnight Shift (Alternate Version) O!A! 1/6
4. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ (Alternate Nashville Version) O!A! 1/2
5. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ (Nashville Version) O!A! 1/3
6. Blue Days, Black Nights O!A! 1/7
7. Love Me (Nashville Version) O!A! 1/1
8. Baby Won’t You Come Out Tonight (Clovis Version) O!A! 1/8
9. I Guess I Was Just a Fool (Clovis Version) O!A! 1/9
10. It’s Not My Fault O!A! 1/10
11. I’m Gonna Set My Foot Down O!A! 1/11
12. I’m Changin’ All Those Changes (Clovis Version) O!A! 1/12
13. Rock-A-Bye Rock O!A! 1/13
14. Because I Love You O!A! 1/14
15. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (Fragment) O!A! 1/15
16. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (1st Version) O!A! 1/16
17. I'm Changin' all Those Changes (Nashville Fragment) PC 2/9
18. I'm Changin' all Those Changes (Nashville Version) O!A! 1/17
19. That’ll Be the Day (Nashville Version) O!A! 1/18
20. Girl On My Mind O!A! 1/19
21. Ting-A-Ling O!A! 1/20
22. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (2nd Version) NFAC 2/6
23. Modern Don Juan O!A! 1/22
24. You Are My One Desire (False Start) O!A! 1/23
25. You Are My One Desire O!A! 1/24

Running Time Approx 49 minutes

O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed recordings from the first 11 months of 1956.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 3: December 1956 - The Garage Tapes

1. Gone (Incomplete) PC 2/18
2. Gone (Version 1) O!A! 2/5
3. Gone (Version 2) O!A! 2/6
4. Gone (Version 3`) O!A! 2/7
5. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Alternate Take) O!A! 2/1
6. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Version 2) O!A! 2/8
7. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Incomplete Alternate Take) O!A! 2/9
8. Have You Ever Been Lonely O!A! 2/10
9. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man (Garage Version) NAFC 2/16
10. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man (Garage Outfake) O!A! 2/11
11. Good Rockin’ Tonight O!A! 2/12
12. Rip it Up O!A! 2/13
13. Blue Monday NAFC 2/19
14. Blue Monday (Outfake) O!A! 2/14
15. Honky Tonk O!A! 2/15
16. Blue Suede Shoes O!A! 2/16
17. Shake, Rattle & Roll (Partial) NFAC 2/22
18. Shake, Rattle & Roll (Outfake) O!A! 2/17
19. Bo Diddley (Gargage Version) O!A! 2/2
20. Aint Got No Home O!A! 2/3
21. Holly Hop O!A! 2/4

Running Time Approx 35 minutes

O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed recordings from December 1956.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 4: January to June 1957 - The Studio Recordings

1. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man (Clovis Version) O!A! 2/19
2. Bo Diddley (Clovis Version) O!A! 2/18
3. I’m Looking For Someone to Love FTOMT 9
4. That’ll be the Day (Clovis Version) FTOMT
5. Last Night (Undubbed Version) NFAC 2/30
6. Maybe Baby (1st Version) NFAC 2/31
7. Words of Love (Scratched Demo) PC 3/9
8. Words of Love FTOMT 12
9. Mailman Bring Me No More Blues NFAC 2/33
10. Not Fade Away (Portion) PC 3/15
11. Not Fade Away (Alternate Version) NFAC 2/34
12. Not Fade Away FTOMT 3
13. Not Fade Away (Outfake) PC 9/34
14. Everyday FTOMT 6
15. Ready Teddy NFAC 3/1
16. Valley of Tears NFAC 3/2
17. Peggy Sue (Alternate Take) PC 3/21
18. Peggy Sue FTOMT 10
19. Listen to Me FTOMT 15
20. Oh, Boy! (Undubbed Version) PC 3/27

Running Time Approx 42 minutes

O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
FTOMT = From The Original Master Tapes

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed studio recordings from the first 6 months of 1957.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 5: July 1957 to January 1958 - The Studio Recordings

1. I’m Gonna Love You Too FTOMT 11
2. Send Me Some Lovin’ (Undubbed Scratched Master) NFAC 3/11
3. It’s Too Late (Undubbed Scratched Master) NFAC 3/12
4. Oh, Boy! FTOMT 2
5. An Empty Cup (and A Broken Date) NFAC 3/14
6. Rock Me My Baby NFAC 3/15
7. You’ve Got Love NFAC 3/16
8. Maybe Baby (2nd Version) FTOMT 5
9. Last Night NFAC 3/18
10. Send Me Some Lovin’ NFAC 3/19
11. It’s Too Late NFAC 3/20
12. Tell Me How FTOMT 4
13. Little Baby NFAC 3/22
14. You’re So Square (Baby I Don’t Care) NFAC 3/23
15. Look At Me NFAC 3/24
16. Mona (Rehearsal) NFAC 3/25
17. Mona (Version 1) NFAC 3/26
18. Mona (Version 2) NFAC 3/27
19. Mona (Version 3) NFAC 3/28
20. Rave On FTOMT 13
21. That’s My Desire (Rehearsal) PC 4/11
22. That's My Desire (Two False Starts Plus Undubbed Master) NFAC 3/30

Running Time Approx 48 minutes

KEY:

NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick
FTOMT = From the Original Master Tapes

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed studio recordings from the last 6 months of 1957 and January 1958.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 6: February to December 1958 - The Studio Recordings

1. Well…Alright FTOMT 14
2. Fool’s Paradise (Version 1) PC 4/22
3. Fool’s Paradise (Version 2) PC 4/23
4. Fool’s Paradise (Version 3) PC 4/24
5. Think it Over (Take 1) PC 4/25
6. Think it Over (Take 2) PC 4/26
7. Think it Over (Take 3) PC 4/27
8. Think it Over (Take 4) PC 4/28
9. Think it Over (Undubbed Master) NFAC 4/3
10. Take Your Time (Take 1) PC 4/18
11. Take Your Time (Take 2) PC 4/19
12. Take Your Time (Take 3) PC 4/20
13. Take Your Time NFAC 4/5
14. Fool’s Paradise NFAC 4/6
15. Think it Over FTOMT 16
16. Lonesome Tears NFAC 4/8
17. It’s So Easy FTOMT 8
18. Heartbeat FTOMT 17
19. Love’s Made a Fool of You (Undubbed Version) PC 4/43
20. Wishing (Undubbed Mono Master) NFAC 6/20
21. Early in the Morning NFAC 4/12
22. Now We’re One (Fragment) NFAC 4/13
23. Now We’re One NFAC 4/14
24. Come Back Baby PC 5/6
25. Reminiscing (Undubbed Version) FTOMT 18
26. True Love Ways (Mono) NFAC 4/17
27. It Doesn’t Matter Anymore (Mono) NFAC 4/19
28. Raining in My Heart (Mono) NFAC 4/21
29. Moondreams (Mono) NFAC 4/23
30. Raining in My Heart (Contemporary Stereo Mix - 1959) PC 9/29

Running Time Approx 58 minutes

KEY:

NFAC = Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick
FTOMT = From the Original Master Tapes

This is a collection of all known Buddy Holly undubbed studio recordings from February to October 1958.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 7: The Complete Undubbed Apartment Tapes

1. That’s What They Say (2 Version) NFAC 4/26
2. What to Do NFAC 4/27
3. Peggy Sue Got Married NFAC 4/28
4. That Makes it Tough NFAC 4/29
5. Crying, Waiting, Hoping NFAC 4/30
6. Learning the Game NFAC 4/31
7. You’re the One PC 5/24
8. Wait ‘Til the Sun Shines Nellie NFAC 4/32
9. Slippin’ and Slidin’ (Slow 'Neck Pickup' Version) NFAC 5/1
10. Slippin’ and Slidin’ (Slow 'Bridge Pickup' Version) NFAC 5/2
11. Slippin’ and Slidin’ (Fast Acoustic Version) NFAC 5/3
12. Drown in my Own Tears PC 5/30
13. Maia Elena Chat/Dearest Segments PC 5/31
14. Dearest (Incomplete) NFAC 5/5
15. Dearest NFAC 5/6
16. Untitled Instrumental NFAC 5/7
17. Love is Strange NFAC 5/8
18. Smokey Joe’s Café NFAC 5/9
19. Smokey Joe’s Café Smokey Joe's Cafe (Unedited) PC 5/36


Running Time Approx 37 minutes

KEY:

NFAC = Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick

This is a collection of all known undubbed recordings made by Buddy Holly in his New York apertment in December 1958 and January 1959, plus one track recorded in a similar fashion at a radio station in late '58.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 8: The Complete Dubbed Apartment Tapes

1. Peggy Sue Got Married (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/10
2. Crying, Waiting, Hoping (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/11
3. That’s What They Say (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/12
4. That’s What They Say (Jack Hansen New York Stereo Overdub) PC 6/3
5. What to Do (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/13
6. What to Do (Jack Hansen New York Stereo Overdub) PC 6/4
7. Learning the Game (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/14
8. Learning the Game (Jack Hansen New York Stereo Overdub) PC 6/5
9. That Makes it Tough (Jack Hansen New York Mono Overdub) NFAC 5/15
10. That Makes it Tough (Jack Hansen New York Stereo Overdub) PC 6/6
11. What to Do (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/24
12. Peggy Sue Got Married (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/25 (or T-MF 8 )
13. Crying, Waiting, Hoping (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/26 (or T-MF 16)
14. That Makes it Tough (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/27
15. That’s What They Say (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/28
16. Learning the Game (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/29 (or T-MF 19)
17. Wait 'til the Sun Shines Nellie (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Single Overdub) PC 6/16
18. Wait 'til the Sun Shines Nellie (Norman Petty Clovis/Fireballs Album Overdub) Rem 4
19. Umm, Oh Yeah (Dearest) (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub 1963) NFAC 5/32
20. Slippin' and Slidin' (slow version - Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub 1963) Rem 2
21. Slippin' and Slidin' (fast version - Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub 1968) NFAC 6/29
22. You're the One (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/30
23. Love is Strange (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/31
24. Umm, Oh Yeah (Dearest) (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub 1968) NFAC 6/32
25. Smokey Joe's Café (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/33

Running Time Approx 55 minutes

KEY:

NFAC - Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick
T-MF = The Tex-Mex Fireball
Rem = Reminiscing

This is a collection of all of the overdubbed versions of the 'Apartment Tapes' from Disc 7.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 9: The Other Overdubs and Posthumous Mixes Part 1

1. Mailman Bring Me No More Blues (1961 Echo Overdub) PC 3/14
2. Look at Me (1961 Echo Overdub) PC 4/4
3. Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 5
4. Because I Love You (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 7
5. I’m Changing All Those Changes (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 10
6. I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 9
7. It's Not My Fault (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 8
8. Rock-a-Bye-Rock (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 11
9. Brown Eyed Handsome Man (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 6
10. Bo Diddley (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 5/23 (or T-MF 3)
11. Reminiscing (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) Rem 1
12. Baby Let's Play House (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/1
13. Down the Line (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/2
14. Flower of My Heart (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/5
15. Door To My Heart (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/6
16. Soft Place In My Heart (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/7
17. I Gambled My Heart (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/8
18. Gotta Get You Near Me Blues (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/9

Running Time Approx 39 minutes

PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
T-MF = The Tex-Mex Fireball
FTOMT = From the Original Master Tapes
Rem = Reminiscing

This is the first part of a collection of all of the overdubbed versions of Buddy Holly tracks where the dubs were recorded after his death.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 10: The Other Overdubs and Posthumous Mixes Part 2

1. Gone (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/10
2. Rip It Up (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/11
3. Honky Tonk (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/12
4. Blue Suede Shoes (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/13
5. Shake, Rattle and Roll (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) PC 2/39
6. You and I Are Through (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/15
7. Baby It's Love (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/16
8. Memories (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/17
9. Queen of the Ballroom (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/18
10. Love's Made a Fool of You (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis ‘Handclaps’ Overdub) NFAC 6/19
11. Wishing (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Mono Overdub) PC 4/46
12. Wishing (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Stereo Overdub) NFAC 6/21
13. Maybe Baby (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/22
14. That's My Desire (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) PC 4/15
15. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Have You Ever Been Blue) (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/24
16. Good Rockin' Tonight (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/25
17. Blue Monday (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/26
18. Ain't Got No Home (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/27
19. Holly Hop (Norman Petty/Fireballs Clovis Overdub) NFAC 6/28
20. True Love Ways (Stereo) FTOMT 20
21. It Doesn't Matter Anymore (Stereo) FTOMT 19
22. Raining in My Heart (Stereo) TBHC 2/21

Running Time Approx 45 minutes
Key:

PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
FTOMT = From the Original Master Tapes
TBHC = The Buddy Holly Collection (UK = Buddy Holly Gold - both are 2 CD, 50 track compilations)

This is the second part of a collection of all of the overdubbed versions of Buddy Holly tracks where the dubs were recorded after his death.

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Discs 11, 12 and 13 are a collection of 3 Buddy and Friends CDs. These tracks are a straight copy of Purple Chick - PC 7/1-33 and PC 8/1-32, but with the following changes:

- The versions of Starlight and Believe Me by Jack Huddle (PC 7/22 & PC 7/23) removed and replaced with the 2 versions of each (4 tracks) taken from Not Fade Away: Buddy Holly 1957 -The Complete Recordings

- Dallas Boogie & One in a Million by Sonny Curtis (PC 7/9 & PC 7/10) removed.

- The two versions of Sugartime (PC 7/30 & PC 7/31) replaced with the three versions from Not Fade Away: Buddy Holly 1957 -The Complete Recordings.

These 66 tracks are then split into three discs:

- Disc 11 (Tracks 1-19: Buddy & Friends 1) is PC 7/1-21 with tracks 9 & 10 removed.
- Disc 12 (Tracks 1-26: Buddy & Friends 2) is Not Fade Away: Buddy Holly 1957 - The Complete Recordings Disc 1/ 29-32, followed by PC 7/24-29, followed by Not Fade Away: Buddy Holly 1957 - The Complete Recordings Disc 2/20,21 and 23, followed by PC 7/32-33 and PC 8/1-11.
Disc 13 (Tracks 1-21: Buddy & Friends 3) is PC 8/12-32.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 11: Buddy and Friends Part 1

1. I Saw The Moon Cry Last Night - Jack Neal
2. I Hear The Lord Callin' For Me - Jack Neal
3. All From Loving You - Ben Hall
4. Rose Of Monterey - Ben Hall
5. Because You Love Me - Sonny Curtis
6. I'll Miss My Heart - Sonny Curtis
7. Queen Of The Ballroom - Sonny Curtis
8. This Bottle - Sonny Curtis
9. Go Boy Go (KDAV Demo) - Gary Dale
10. Gone (KDAV Demo) - Gary Dale
11. Go Boy Go (Norman Petty Clovis Demo) - Gary Dale
12. Gone (Norman Petty Clovis Demo) - Gary Dale
13. The Golden Rocket - Gary Dale I
14. I Overlooked An Orchid- Gary Dale
15. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (Take 1) - Jim Robinson
16. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (Take 2) - Jim Robinson
17. Whole Lot Of Lovin' (Take 3) - Jim Robinson
18. A Whole Lot Of Lovin' (Overdubbed Take 3) - Jim Robinson
19. It's A Wonderful Feeling - Jim Robinson

Running Time Approx 44 minutes

This is the first part of a collection of all of the tracks recorded by other artists on which Buddy Holly appeared as a guest musician.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 12: Buddy and Friends Part 2

1. Starlight (Original Without Echo) - Jack Huddle NFA57 1/29
2. Believe Me (Original Without Echo) - Jack Huddle NFA57 1/30
3. Starlight - Jack Huddle NFA57 1/31
4. Believe Me - Jack Huddle NFA57 1/32
5. By The Mission Wall - Fred Crawford
6. A Man From Texas - Jim Robinson
7. Broken Promises - Sherry Davis
8. Humble Heart - Sherry Davis
9. Look To The Future - Gary Dale
10. Honey Honey - Gary Dale
11. Sugartime (Take 1) - Charlie Phillips NFA57 2/20
12. Sugartime (Promo?) - Charlie Phillips NFA57 2/21
13. Sugartime - Charlie Phillips NFA57 2/23
14. One Faded Rose (Version 1) - Charlie Phillips
15. One Faded Rose (Version 2) - Charlie Phillips
16. Moondreams (Album Version) - The Norman Petty Trio
17. Moondreams (Single Version) - The Norman Petty Trio
18. Moondreams (Alternate Version) - The Norman Petty Trio
19. Don't Do Me This Way (First Version) - Rick Tucker
20. Patty Baby - Rick Tucker
21. Don't Do Me This Way - Rick Tucker
22. Real Wild Child (Take 1)- Ivan
23. Real Wild Child (Take 2) - Ivan
24. Oh, You Beautiful Doll (Take 1) - Ivan
25. Oh, You Beautiful Doll (Take 2) - Ivan
26. Oh, You Beautiful Doll (Overdubbed Take 2) - Ivan

Running Time Approx 59 minutes

This is the second part of a collection of all of the tracks recorded by other artists on which Buddy Holly appeared as a guest musician.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 13: Buddy and Friends Part 3

1. Scarlet Ribbons - Carolyn Hester
2. Wreck Of The Old '97 - Carolyn Hester
3. I Sent You Roses - Jerry Engler
4. What A' You Gonna Do - Jerry Engler
5. When Sin Stops (Take 1 - Instrumental) - Waylon Jennings
6. When Sin Stops (Take 2 - Instrumental) - Waylon Jennings
7. When Sin Stops (Take 3 - Instrumental) - Waylon Jennings
8. When Sin Stops (Take 4 - Vocal) - Waylon Jennings
9. When Sin Stops (Take 5 - Vocal) - Waylon Jennings
10. When Sin Stops (Take 6 - Vocal) - Waylon Jennings
11. When Sin Stops (Take 2 - Final Version With Vocal Overdub) - Waylon Jennings
12. Jole Blon - Waylon Jennings
13. Stay Close To Me (False Start) - Lou Giordano
14. Stay Close To Me (Take 4) - Lou Giordano
15. Don't Cha Know - Lou Giordano
16. More And More - Waylon Jennings
17. When You Are Lonely - Waylon Jennings
18. My Best Friend (My Baby's Coming Home) - Harry Nilsson
19. My Baby's Coming Home - Harry Nilsson
20. I Know I'll Have The Blues Again - Whitesidewalls
21. Monetta - Sonny Curtis

Running Time Approx 40 minutes

This is the third part of a collection of all of the tracks recorded by other artists on which Buddy Holly appeared as a guest musician.


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The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 14: Odds and Sods

1 - That'll Be The Day 'Greetings To Bob Thiele' NFAC3 - 3/3
2 - That'll Be The Day 'Greetings To Murray Deutsch' NFAC3 - 3/4
3 - That'll Be The Day 'Greetings To Bill Randle' NFAC3 - 3/5
4 - That'll Be The Day Live On KPTV PC 3/38
5 - That'll Be The Day Live On The Ed Sullivan Show PC 3/39
6 - Peggy Sue Live On The Ed Sullivan Show PC 3 /40
7 - Interview With Ed Sullivan PC 3/41
8 - Peggy Sue Live On The Arthur Murray Show PC 4/9
9 - Oh, Boy! Live On The Ed Sullivan Show PC 4/16
10 - Everyday (Live Fragment) PC 4/33
11 - Drown in my Own Tears (Live Fragment) PC 4/34
12 - Hallelujah, I Love Her So (Live Fragment) PC 4/35
13 - That'll Be the Day Live At The London Palladium PC 4/36
14 - Peggy Sue Live At The London Palladium PC 4/37
15 - Oh, Boy! Live At The London Palladium PC 4/38
16 - Maybe Baby (Fragment) BBC TV studios PC 4/39
17 - Everyday KLLL Jingle PC 5/4
18 - Peggy Sue KLLL Jingle PC 5/5
19 - The Paul Cohen Phone Call PC 9/1
20 - Bill Randle WERE Promo PC 9/2
21 - Bill Randle WERE Promo PC 9/3
22 - Don Passerby Promo PC 9/4
23 - Don Passerby Promo PC 9/5
24 - Don Passerby Promo PC 9/6
25 - Don Passerby Promo PC 9/7
26 - Red Robinson Promo PC 9/8
27 - Red Robinson Interview PC 9/9
28 - Freeman Hover Interview PC 9/10
29 - Freeman Hover Promo PC 9/11
30 - Dale Lowery Interview PC 9/12
31 - Pat Barton Interview PC 9/13
32 - Bob Chesney Interview PC 9/14
33 - Bob Chesney/WTRL Promo PC 9/15
34 - KSYD Wichita Falls Promo PC 9/16
35 - Dick Arlen WACK Promo PC 9/17
36 - Alan Freed Interview PC 9/18
37 - Ronnie King Interview PC 9/19
38 - Dick Clark Interview PC 9/20
39 - Big Bopper Winter Dance Party Promo PC 9/21
40 - Ritchie Valens Winter Dance Party Promo PC 9/22
41 - Buddy Holly Winter Dance Party Promo PC 9/23
42 - Newscast About The Plane Crash (I) PC 9/24
43 - WNOE Newscast About The Tlane Trash PC 9/25
44 - Newscast About The Plane Crash (II) PC 9/26
45 - Message To The Dutch Fan Club From Ella And Lawrence Holley PC 9/27
46 - Norman Petty Interview Excerpt (Norman Defends Himself) PC 9/28

Running Time Approx 61 minutes

NFAC = Not Fade Away: The Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick

This is a collection of all of the jingles, radio promos, interviews and live versions recorded by Buddy Holly.


The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 15: Alternate and Experimental Mixes

1. True Love Ways ('79 Stereo Version With Full Studio Chat) PC 5/9
2. It Doesn't Matter Anymore ('79 Stereo Version With Full Studio Chat) PC 5/10
3. Raining in my Heart ('79 Stereo Version With Full Studio Chat) PC 5/11
4. Moondreams ('79 Stereo Version With Full Studio Chat) PC 5/12
5. True Love Ways (Alternate Stereo Mix From '67) PC 9/30
6. It Doesn't Matter Anymore (Alternate Stereo Mix From '67) PC 9/31
7. What to Do (Alternate Stereo Mix From '67) PC 9/32
8. Learning the Game (Alternate Stereo Mix From '67) PC 9/33
9. Crying, Waiting, Hoping (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 9/36
10. Peggy Sue Got Married (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 9/35
11. Slippin' and Slidin' (Sped-Up Version 1) (Undubbed Apartment Demo) PC 5/38
12. Slippin' and Slidin' (Sped-Up Version 3) (Undubbed Apartment Demo)PC 5/39
13. Slippin' and Slidin' (sped-up version 2) (Undubbed Apartment Demo)PC 5/40
14. Got to Get You Near Me Blues (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/23
15. Memories (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/24
16. Baby Let's Play House (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/25
17. Last Night (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/26
18. Oh, Boy! (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/27
19. Send Me Some Loving (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/28
20. It's Too Late (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/29
21. That's My Desire (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/30
22. Fool's Paradise (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/31
23. Think it Over (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/32
24. Love's Made a Fool of You (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/33
25. Wishing (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) PC 6/34
26. A Whole Lot of Lovin' (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) - Jim Robinson PC 8/33
27. Moondreams (Version 1) (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) - The Norman Petty Trio 8/34
28. Moondreams (Version 2) (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) - The Norman Petty Trio 8/35
29. Oh, You Beautiful Doll (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) - Ivan 8/36
30. When Sin Stops (Purple Chick's New Stereo Version) - Waylon Jennings 8/37
31. You're the One (Moondreams Album Faux-Stereo Mix) M 8
32. Come Back Baby (Reminiscing Album Faux-Stereo Mix) Rem 12

Running Time Approx 69 minutes

KEY:
PC = Purple Chick
M = Moondreams
Reminiscing 12

This is a collection of alternative and experimental mixes of Buddy Holly tracks, all mixed after his death. It is by no means exhaustive, as it would be possible to duplicate large parts of the first 13 discs here, but it gives a flavour of what has been done. As such is is completely surplus to requirements, and has little legitimacy. Only tracks 1-10 have any real claim as being authentic Buddy Holly, the rest are all either fan-mixed experimental tracks, or faux-stereo tracks which are really mono with a little artificial processing added to make them sound like true stereo.

Steve W

The purpose of this thread is to enable Buddy Holly and the Crickets fans to compile a perfect – or as near as can be – Complete Buddy Holly, with not only every track Buddy ever recorded included, but also the best version (sound quality-wise) of every track.

I thought I'd write a few notes on what I've read here, whilst I'm writing out the finished set; that job may take a long while.

A quick word on how I compared the different versions. I'm playing all of these from my PC, where the CDs are ripped to WMP in lossless audio (usually WMA Lossless, occasionally FLAC or others).

The PC then outputs the music through an external Creative sound card which changes the stored bits into digital PCM audio – just like on the original CD. This is then fed to a Musical Fidelity DAC, and from there into a Musical Fidelity X-CANs headphone amp, and from there into a pair of Beyerdynamic headphones.

The 'phone amp and 'phones cost c.£300, and give as good sound quality as a standard amp/speaker combination costing many thousands of pounds - far better than my wonderful Audiolab 8000A/Epos ES-14 combination.

Unfortunately the set up can be too unforgiving, and any problems with the source can become glaring. They're also very 'present', and it may well be that some of my choices based on sound quality would be different if I listened through a traditional amp & speakers.

What follows is a series of comments from these boards on the merits and deficiencies of the new boxed-set when compared to other releases. These are my own opinions - please be gentle with me if you disagree...but please feel free to disagree, too.

My default position is that the new boxed-set should be the best version – though I’m aware that this is clearly not always the case. But a quick sample showed that, for most of the mainstream recordings of ’57 and ’58, the differences in sound quality were tiny, if not inaudible.

It would be possible to spend an hour comparing 4 versions of Rave On – flicking backwards and forwards between each one – trying to hear any difference when there was none. So, the boxed-set version it is unless there’s a clear reason to opt for something else.

BHASCFCAdmin wrote:An odd thing has happened - possibly as a result of some noise removal - the Unknown Cricket has disappeared from I'm Gonna Love You Too. It's chirping is of course mentioned in the notes but I can't hear him! Maybe its my ears going south...

Obviously I'm familiar with the story of the 'trapped cricket' story, but I must be the only Buddy Holly fan in the world who has never listed out for it.

I cued up all the versions I have on my WMP (Purple Chick, previous MCA versions) and played them through the 'phones. I seem to remember hearing that the cricket is heard best on the run out at the end, so I listened to the last few seconds. The cricket is there on the new boxed set, and sounds exactly the same level as the other tracks.

It may be that it was louder on the vinyl. It may be that your ears are going south John (let's face it, you must be nearly 40 by now!), or maybe that's my ears (seriously, I’m a little deaf in my left ear, though my right is perfect). Or maybe we're hearing the past through cricket-tinted hearing aids. I'd welcome more comparisons from the other forum members on this one - particularly if you have an old vinyl copy which you can burn to CD-R. Also, is there anywhere else in the track I need to be listening to, other than the end?

Steve W

Chris Hopkins wrote:The second version of "Memories" on the set is just a bad quality source of the overdubbed version. There's drums on it, exactly same drums as on overdubbed version.

Track deleted. If an undubbed version of the second recording appears, or already exists, let me know. It’s not on Purple Chick.

Steve W

EDIT - having listened again, I'm not so sure.

SW

Roger Manning Jr. wrote:Well I found a few errors that should be noted.

The two overdubbed versions "Wait Till the Sun Shines Nellie" are the same. One should be the lesser dubbed mono 45 version but is not.

Both overdubbed version of "Reminiscing" are the same

And what is listed as the overdubbed "Thats My Desire" is the undubbed version.

And the mono version of "Wishing" should be on disc four.

Both versions of …Nellie… now included.

The second, repeated version of Reminiscing deleted.

The second ‘dubbed’ version of That’s My Desire replaced with the correctly dubbed version from Purple Chick.

The undubbed version of Wishing moved to its correct place.

Many thanks for this information.

Steve W

Discs 7 and 8 lifted in their entirety from the Purple Chick set. These are the ‘Buddy and Friends’ discs. Can someone please give us an update on these – are there any tracks here which don’t actually include Buddy, or any others that were missed off the Purple Chick set?

Cheers.

Steve W

Steve wrote:I wonder if You're The One is simply from the same tape source used on the 6LP set but 'cleaned up' slightly? Does anyone know for sure? The undubbed version on the Lp set does not sound that great either.

I agree it is a pity though if it's still rough, especially considering that the contemporary 'apartment' recordings on that set were also rough sounding but are now at long last available in shining crystal clear glory.

The undubbed You’re the One now replaced with the superior version from Purple Chick.

Steve W

darling wrote:Missing:
- Rock Around With Ollie Vee (partial outake)
- I'm Changin' All Those Changes (partial outake)
- Have You Ever Been Lonely (fourth version). [The liner notes claim this is a duplicate of an earlier version, but they're wrong. Each of the four versions has a different, distinct ending. Perhaps they were fooled by the composite version on the Rollercoaster disc?]
- Words Of Love (acetate)
- Everyday jingle
- Peggy Sue jingle

Missing, but not so important:
- The unedited Smokey Joe's Cafe demo.
- Other mix variants?

Included but shouldn't have been:
- The composite "Not Fade Away" outtake. [The beginning of the outtake is missing, so somebody spliced on the beginning of the released take (overdubbed backing vocals and all - which disappear when the outtake cuts in). If you're going to include an outfake, go the whole hog and create one without the backing vocals a la Purple Chick. Otherwise, just give us the partial version.]

Misc. comments:
- A quick comparison of the sound quality on the Box and on Ohh! Annie! shows that Rollercoaster set has a better source for the Garage Tapes and also (maybe) has longer fades, etc. On the other hand, Rollercoaster has done a little tweaking: as well as the (admitted) artificial extension of Shake Rattle and Roll, it sounds like Rollercoaster may have 'fixed' a section of Blue Monday too - maybe other things.

I've edited the above to exclude comments made before.

...Ollie Vee... & ...Changes... partiald added.

Have You Ever Been Lonely (fourth version) added.

Words Of Love (acetate), Everyday jingle and Peggy Sue jingle added.

Unedited Smokey Joe's Cafe demo added.

Other mix variants - The stereo versions of the Jack Hansen overdubs added. The two 'echo' overdubs added.

Purple Chick Not Fade Away outfake added.

Ohh! Annie superior sound quality versions replace the boxed-set version. Where the Ohh! Annie versions are 'outfakes the boxed-set partials are re-inserted. Shake, Rattle and Roll is definitely an outfake, but Blue Monday sounds no different to me.

Many thanks for all of this information.

Steve W

Steve wrote:Another very mundane error to report is that two of the tracks on Disc 6 are listed in the wrong running order. Ain't Got No Home is one of them (sorry can't remember what the other was) but I'd have to listen again to confirm exactly which song comes first and is listed incorrectly etc.

I had a listen to that disc, as ripped, tonight. The track listing on my PC is correct. The printing on the box may not be (that’s filed away, now) and it may be that someone submitted the correct listing via WMP.

Steve W

darling wrote:- Add all the live material from Purple Chick, if you're in to that kind of thing.

A new ‘odds & sods' disc created for jingles, live tracks, interviews, etc.

Steve W

One more thing I can remember, I've included both the 'full' version of My Two-Timin' Woman from the boxed set and the edited version from Gotta Roll, just to be complete.

Right, that's it for tonight, more later.

Please feel free to comment, add new errors, or correct my mistakes. I'm pretty thick-skinned.

Steve W

Pecker wrote:One more thing I can remember, I've included both the 'full' version of My Two-Timin' Woman from the boxed set and the edited version from Gotta Roll, just to be complete.

Right, that's it for tonight, more later.

Please feel free to comment, add new errors, or correct my mistakes. I'm pretty thick-skinned.

Steve W

Steve thanks for sharing this. Could you be more specific from what source you've made your additions (title, cd number and track number)?

What about the quality of the Reminiscing album tracks on the box set?

An omission you've mentioned yourself (if I'm not mistaken) is;
-Look At Me
Purple Chick disc 4, track 4 plus echo overdub for 7: October 1961: Decca Record Co. Ltd. 254 Belsize Road London England

-Mailman Bring Me No More Blues
Purple Chick disc 3, track 14 plus echo overdub for 7: October 1961: Decca Record Co. Ltd. 254 Belsize Road London England

martin markus wrote:

Pecker wrote:One more thing I can remember, I've included both the 'full' version of My Two-Timin' Woman from the boxed set and the edited version from Gotta Roll, just to be complete.

Right, that's it for tonight, more later.

Please feel free to comment, add new errors, or correct my mistakes. I'm pretty thick-skinned.

Steve W

Steve thanks for sharing this. Could you be more specific from what source you've made your additions (title, cd number and track number)?

What about the quality of the Reminiscing album tracks on the box set?

An omission you've mentioned yourself (if I'm not mistaken) is;
-Look At Me
Purple Chick disc 4, track 4 plus echo overdub for 7: October 1961: Decca Record Co. Ltd. 254 Belsize Road London England

-Mailman Bring Me No More Blues
Purple Chick disc 3, track 14 plus echo overdub for 7: October 1961: Decca Record Co. Ltd. 254 Belsize Road London England

Aye up Martin.

Yes, I'll be listing where every track comes from, including CD and track numbers.

I've included the two echo overdubs - they're the first two tracks on the 'Other Overdubs' CD.

Regarding "What about the quality of the Reminiscing album tracks on the box set?"

Could you explain further which tracks these are and what the issues are with them.

Many thanks.

Full track listings are to follow.

Steve W

Pecker wrote:Regarding "What about the quality of the Reminiscing album tracks on the box set?"

Could you explain further which tracks these are and what the issues are with them.

Sure.

Chris Hopkins wrote:Had a good play of the set today. Another "error" to add to the list is the quality of the overdubs from the 'Reminiscing' album is shocking. There's distortion all over those tracks. I can't believe they used Petty's masters for that. This must be a 3rd or 4th generation they used.

Another remark from Chris might interest you as well (or not when you've already used the Ohh! Annie! version).

Chris Hopkins wrote:Also, the beginning of Shake Rattle & Roll runs slow then speeds back up. That didn't happen on the 1979 box set.

Or this one.

Chris Hopkins wrote:The mono Hansen overdubs are terrible, aside from PGSM and CWH which have a better clarity than on other releases.

The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 1: 1949-1955

Updated 18/01/10 c.12:25

1. My Two-Timin’ Woman (full version) – GR 26
2. My Two-Timin’ Woman (edit) – GR 22
3. I’ll Just Pretend NFAC 1/2
4. Take These Shackles From My Heart NFAC 1/3
5. Footprints in the Snow NFAC 1/4
6. Flower of My Heart NFAC 1/5
7. Door to My Heart NFAC 1/6
8. Soft Place in My Heart NFAC 1/7
9. Gotta Get You Near Me Blues NFAC 1/8
10. I Gambled My Heart NFAC 1/9
11. You and I Are Through NFAC 1/10
12. Down the Line NFAC 1/11
13. Baby Let’s Play House NFAC 1/12
14. Down the Line PC 1/18
15. You and I are Through PC 1/11
16. Baby It’s Love NFAC 1/15
17. Memories NFAC 1/18
18. Queen of the Ballroom NFAC 1/17
19. Moonlight Baby NFAC 1/19
20. I Guess I Was Just a Fool NFAC 1/20
21. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ NFAC 1/21
22. Love Me NFAC 1/22



Running Time Approx 46 minutes


KEY:

GR = Gotta Roll
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick


Gotta Roll is a 1 CD set, so the number after this is the track number on the original release. For the boxed-set the information is Disc number/track number, so Flower of My Heart NFAC 1/5 means Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings Disc 1 Track 5. Hope that’s clear.

Notes :

Tracks 1 & 2 - You’re going to hear this one a lot, and here’s where opinion and mode of listening come into play. The Purple Chick version of My Two-Timin’ Woman has an awful lot of tape hiss which has been removed on other versions. In removing the tape hiss there has been some loss of sound quality elsewhere. Each person needs to make up their own mind as to which is most important to them. For me, the tape hiss is far more pronounced when listening on headphones, to the point of completely distracting from the music. On a regular hi-fi it’s not quite as intrusive, but still pretty bad. However, for these two tracks the quality of the original source is so poor that there is very little detail in the recording anyway, so not too much is lost in the noise reduction process, whilst the hiss is reduced substantially. Subsequently I feel the Gotta Roll versions have the edge for sound quality, particularly if you’re going to listen to this on your mp3 player.

Tracks 3 to 22 – Almost all from the new boxed-set. Some of these tracks are the best we’ve heard them, particularly without DB’s chatter over the top. Elsewhere any difference in sound quality is often minimal, with any clear advantage usually going to the new boxed-set version. Subsequently I’ve used the new boxed-set as the source for all of these. Please feel free to comment if you think the sound quality is better elsewhere. The exceptions are tracks 14 & 15, replaced by 14 & 15 from CD1 of Purple Chick.

Track 16 from Disc 1 of the new box (Memories) is apparently an error – this is an overdubbed version of Track 16. However, session information in the boxed-set (and elsewhere) suggests the song was recorded twice. Despite this I can only find one undubbed version of Memories, which is Track 18 on Disc 1 of the new box, and Track 12 on CD1 of Purple Chick.

Steve W

martin markus wrote:

Pecker wrote:Regarding "What about the quality of the Reminiscing album tracks on the box set?"

Could you explain further which tracks these are and what the issues are with them.

Sure.

Chris Hopkins wrote:Had a good play of the set today. Another "error" to add to the list is the quality of the overdubs from the 'Reminiscing' album is shocking. There's distortion all over those tracks. I can't believe they used Petty's masters for that. This must be a 3rd or 4th generation they used.

Another remark from Chris might interest you as well (or not when you've already used the Ohh! Annie! version).

Chris Hopkins wrote:Also, the beginning of Shake Rattle & Roll runs slow then speeds back up. That didn't happen on the 1979 box set.

Or this one.

Chris Hopkins wrote:The mono Hansen overdubs are terrible, aside from PGSM and CWH which have a better clarity than on other releases.

Many thanks.

Firstly on Reminiscing, can we confirm how many versions (dubbed/undubbed) there are, and where they can be found. Do we just need to delete a version from the new box, or replace it with one from elsewhere - if so, where?

Secondly, regarding Shake, Rattle & Roll. Yes, I read those commwents. Sadly I no longer have the vinyl boxed set, and all other versions I have (including Purple Chick) have the same speed up. Actually, I had a listen at home last night and that's what I found. Listening to the same files on my PC at work I can't hear it any more. Am I going mad, deaf, or both?

Thirdly, I have included both mono (from the new box) and stereo (from Purple Chick) mixes of the Hansen overdubs, as you'll see on a later disc, apart from PGSM and CWH.

Hope this helps.

Steve W

Pecker wrote:Firstly on Reminiscing, can we confirm how many versions (dubbed/undubbed) there are, and where they can be found.

Chris is not just refering to the song Reminiscing but to the Reminiscing album tracks. This means in my opinion (English is not my first language);

Reminiscing NFAC 5/30
Slippin' and Slidin' NFAC 5/33
Bo Diddley NFAC 5/23
Wait till the Sun Shines Nellie NFAC 5/31
Baby Won't You Come Out Tonight NFAC 5/16
Brown Eyed Handsome Man NFAC 5/22
Because I Love You NFAC 5/17
It's Not My Fault NFAC 5/20
I'm Gonna Set My Foot Down NFAC 5/19
Changing All Those Changes NFAC 5/18
Rock-a-Bye Rock NFAC 5/21

I myself have used the tracks from the BGO release Reminiscing/Showcase.

Yeah but I think the distortion is evident on most releases of Reminiscing album. The masters were inferior. It'd be great if Petty's three track/four track tapes could be found as I'd love to remix them. One of my main bugbears with those overdubs was Buddy's voice wasn't as prominent in certain places as it should've been. Same with his guitar. I dont blame Petty for that, he did the best he could with the techniques he had available. But now with technology we can iron out some of those flaws and I think people would generally not mind listening to the overdubs if they were mixed well.

Chris Hopkins wrote:I think people would generally not mind listening to the overdubs if they were mixed well.

I think so too. Among my Buddy Holly friends here in Holland the Reminiscing album is a steady favorite. I myself like that album too and am not bothered by the overdubs at all. I also like the Hansen overdubs.

I'm not too fond about the Holly in the Hills and Giant albums though (with the exception of Love Is Strange). I really can't stand the overdubbed Dearest and You're The One.

Cheers.

The problem is, it's one thing to say the sound quality is poor, but another to say it's better elsewhere.

Are there other versions of the Reminiscing album with better sound quality - if so, where?

If all the versions suffer from the same distortion, then that's not particularly any concern of this thread...until better versions become available on Rollercoaster, of course.

This thread is purely about discovering the best versions available.

Hope that helps. Any further information on this will be gratefully received.

martin markus wrote:I myself have used the tracks from the BGO release Reminiscing/Showcase.

Is there a consensus that these versions are clearly better audio than on the recent boxed-set and/or Purple Chick? All opinions gladly received.

Steve W

Pecker wrote:

martin markus wrote:I myself have used the tracks from the BGO release Reminiscing/Showcase.

Is there a consensus that these versions are clearly better audio than on the recent boxed-set and/or Purple Chick? All opinions gladly received.

I don't know but probably not. I remember having read somewhere (some) people feel the BGO releases are too loud. I've not made actual comparisons using software of some kind so I don't know about that. For me it's just a matter of personal taste and opinions.

Pecker wrote:The cricket is there on the new boxed set

That means I'm not able to hear it anymore

This may be opening a can of worms but, allowing for the fact that vinyl clarity is nowhere near that of CD, I feel the Reminscing overdubs on the 1979 set and the World Records set were a higher generation. John Beecher may know more about this as I believe he and Malcolm jones doggedly hunted down the best fidelity on each track and had to get rid of or discard many low generation tapes. Is it possible that after the 1979 was prepared, the Reminiscing masters weren't re-filed properly?
I agree that the BGO releases were too loud. "Pumping" is a word I'd use. They overly-compressed them and didn't allow the music to breathe

Chris Hopkins wrote:This may be opening a can of worms but, allowing for the fact that vinyl clarity is nowhere near that of CD, I feel the Reminscing overdubs on the 1979 set and the World Records set were a higher generation. John Beecher may know more about this as I believe he and Malcolm jones doggedly hunted down the best fidelity on each track and had to get rid of or discard many low generation tapes. Is it possible that after the 1979 was prepared, the Reminiscing masters weren't re-filed properly?
I agree that the BGO releases were too loud. "Pumping" is a word I'd use. They overly-compressed them and didn't allow the music to breathe

Chris, I've seen an audiophile test recently where, in a double-blind test, the listeners preferred the sound on a CD-R made by recording from vinyl to that of the official CD. I think the theory is that there's often a lot of digital post-processing going on with CDs, whilst vinyl is often left entirely in the analogue domain. Then when the LP is recorded to CD no post processing is involved - just a straight transfer.

Listen just a word on this, and I want to repeat what I said at the start. what I'm trying to do is to weed out all of the substantially inferior tracks from the recent boxed-set. I'm not so interested in us all stroking our beards over the Nth degree of sound quality, but rather to ensure that we know which tracks on the new box sound definitely dodgy.

Often, as has been said, this will be down to a matter of personal taste and opinion, and I will be offering either/or choices on the 2nd CD with regard to certain tracks.

But I still want to see this discussion - I think it's wonderful.

Steve W

I agree that vinyl to CD can sound better...as long as the original vinyl had a short playing time. The complete set had a great sound but would've had an even better sound again if there'd only been 8 tracks per side.
I'll add my two pennies worth now: For stereo mixes of True Love Ways and It Doesn't Matter Anymore, best source is "From The Original Master Tapes". If you wanted to be anal about it, consider editing the longer dialogue from IDMA on Purple Chick to the beginning of the FTOMT version. For RIMH and Moondreams, use Purple Chick dialogue followed by the stereo versions on the new set.

To my knowledge the best quality copy of the Reminiscing album on CD is Universal's re-issue from 1999.
It was also nice because it had bonus tracks - some undubbed versions.

Some of the overdubbed versions from this album used on the box set are poor (loads of echo, etc - are these old stereo enhanced versions ?) whilst others fare better - i.e. they are not all poor. They all sound a lot better on the 1999 re-issue.

My copy of "The Ultimate EP Collection" (See For Miles) contains Shake Rattle and Roll without the tape slippage but my copy of Showcase (Castle / Sequel 1992) does contain the slipping (but only slightly) on this and also the bad slippage at the start of Honky Tonk.

You're The One has a running time on other releases only 1 second difference so it can't (as some say) be running slow - but this is from an acetate so quality will not be top notch.

On the whole the Castle / Sequel single album releases from the early 90s were pretty good quality audio wise - probably better than BGO (?)

Chris Hopkins wrote:I agree that vinyl to CD can sound better...as long as the original vinyl had a short playing time. The complete set had a great sound but would've had an even better sound again if there'd only been 8 tracks per side.
I'll add my two pennies worth now: For stereo mixes of True Love Ways and It Doesn't Matter Anymore, best source is "From The Original Master Tapes". If you wanted to be anal about it, consider editing the longer dialogue from IDMA on Purple Chick to the beginning of the FTOMT version. For RIMH and Moondreams, use Purple Chick dialogue followed by the stereo versions on the new set.

Cheers.

I don't have FTOMT - I'll have to check that out (it's cheap enough).

I'm not too bothered about the extra studio chat, but thanks for the tip. I may stick both versions on - one for sound, one for the extra chat.

BTW, is there anything different about the two versions of Smokey Joe's Cafe (undubbed) apart from the little extra silence at the start and chat at the end?

Steve W

Frank wrote:To my knowledge the best quality copy of the Reminiscing album on CD is Universal's re-issue from 1999.
It was also nice because it had bonus tracks - some undubbed versions.

Some of the overdubbed versions from this album used on the box set are poor (loads of echo, etc - are these old stereo enhanced versions ?) whilst others fare better - i.e. they are not all poor. They all sound a lot better on the 1999 re-issue.

My copy of "The Ultimate EP Collection" (See For Miles) contains Shake Rattle and Roll without the tape slippage but my copy of Showcase (Castle / Sequel 1992) does contain the slipping (but only slightly) on this and also the bad slippage at the start of Honky Tonk.

You're The One has a running time on other releases only 1 second difference so it can't (as some say) be running slow - but this is from an acetate so quality will not be top notch.

On the whole the Castle / Sequel single album releases from the early 90s were pretty good quality audio wise - probably better than BGO (?)

I can find this version:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/REMINISCING-Bud ... 639&sr=1-1

That's listed as from 'Commercial Marketting', the same as the Down the Line: Rarities CD, so it's Universal, but the release date shows as 20th Feb '03. It looks like the same release though, as there appear to be extra tracks (can you check the track list in that link and confirm, please). Only £2.98, too!

You're the One (undubbed) sounds very poor on the new box, compared to Purple Chick - it sounds slow (whether it is or not) but also dull, like someone's stuck cotton wool in your speakers.

I find the 'tape slippage' at the start of those tracks to be so minor as not being worth changing things round, but I can understand if others disagree. The £34 you have to pay Amazon for the CD swings it for me.

Many thanks.

Steve W

As we can see, this all can get a bit complex.

Thanks for the excellent and helpful comments so far, but just for now can we stick to the tracks I posted for CD1 (previous page).

Does anyone have any further comments, amendments or additions on this one before we go any further?

I’m particularly interested in any further comments on Memories.

Chris, can you have a re-listen to the three?

The first and second 'undubbed' versions sound different. I'm not sure they're different recordings (they may or may not be), but they sound very different. The dubbed version definitely has a very echo-y drum added (among other things), and this is definitely not on the second 'un-dubbed' version.

Cheers.

Steve W

All three versions of 'Memories' on the new box set come from the same source recording, in other words they derive from the same version/take.
On CD 1, track 16 : This is just a poorly sourced copy of the OVERDUBBED version on CD Six Track 17.
The TRUE undubbed version of 'Memories' is on CD 1 Track 18.
I dont believe there was ever a second version recorded and believe that the poorly sourced OVERDUBBED version has hoodwinked people into believing that there were 2 versions.
The reason that the tracks sound different from the undubbed on CD 1 to the Dubbed version on CD 6 is that there's a swishing noise coming off the acetate on CD 1 which isn't apparent on the overdubbed version. Remember though that Petty did the overdub in 1964 and the acetate probably didn't get digitally transferred until the 80's. It had probably gone through hundreds of plays by then and developed the swishing sound. Close inspection of Norman's multitracks would likely find several undubbed versions in better quality than what we have already cause he got to them before they deteriorated.

Hi fans,
there´s indeed only one version, cause you can hear the same footsteps at the end, which cannot happen twice by accident.
There´s a short pause after about two minutes on one of the versions, which you cannot hear on the other version that was prepared for the overdubbing works. Also the sound quality is very different. So we can say that there are two technically different versions of the same take.
Do you agree?
Rave On
Lothar Pedd

Chris, my mistake. I was thinking you were saying that 18 was the mistake, but it's 16. Having listened again, I agree.

I've made 3 changes to Disc 1 and edited my post (see Page 1). When compiling the whole set...well, it's a hell of a job. Coming home tonight with just one CD to think about is easier and has given me more time to listen and think.

Firstly I've changed two tracks (Down the Line & You and I Are Through) for tracks from Purple Chick. The one's I've flown in are definitely the same recordings as the ones they replace, just better sound on PC than on the new box.

Okay, on to Memories. I've swapped 16 for 18.

Cheers.

Final edits now made - it took me a few minutes, so check again after you've read this - c.6:28 UK time.

I've learned something this evening. I may think I've finished, but I'll be re-checking one disc at a time, track by track from now on.

Many thanks again for everyone's help, advice and patience.

Steve W

Before I go on to Disc 2, just a quick word about the tape speed problems with the dubbed versions of Shake, Rattle & Roll and Honky Tonk.

The reason I couldn't find the problem at work was...I was listening to the undubbed versions.

Having checked this I've found that Shake, Rattle & Roll is a constant speed on Purple Chick, but Honky Tonk isn't.

Steve W

The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 2: January - November 1956

Update 18/01/10 c.12:26

1. Midnight Shift O!A! 1/4
2. Midnight Shift (false start) O!A! 1/5
3. Midnight Shift (version) O!A! 1/6
4. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ (version) O!A! 1/2
5. Don’t Come Back Knockin’ O!A! 1/3
6. Blue Days, Black Nights O!A! 1/7
7. Love Me O!A! 1/1
8. Baby Won’t You Come Out Tonight O!A! 1/8
9. I Guess I Was Just a Fool O!A! 1/9
10. It’s Not My Fault O!A! 1/10
11. I’m Gonna Set My Foot Down O!A! 1/11
12. I’m Changin’ All Those Changes O!A! 1/12
13. Rock-A-Bye Rock O!A! 1/13
14. Because I Love You O!A! 1/14
15. Rock Around With Ollie Vee (fragment) O!A! 1/15
16. Rock Around With Ollie Vee O!A! 1/16
17. I'm Changin' all Those Changes (fragment) PC 2/9
18. I'm Changin' all Those Changes O!A! 1/17
19. That’ll Be the Day O!A! 1/18
20. Girl On My Mind O!A! 1/19
21. Ting-A-Ling O!A! 1/20
22. Rock Around With Ollie Vee NFAC 2/6
23. Modern Don Juan O!A! 1/22
24. You Are My One Desire [False Start] O!A! 1/23
25. You Are My One Desire O!A! 1/24


Running Time Approx 50 minutes


O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings




The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 3: December 1956 - The Garage Tapes

Update 18/01/10 c.12:26


1. Gone PC 2/18
2. Gone O!A! 2/5
3. Gone O!A! 2/6
4. Gone O!A! 2/7
5. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Alternate Take) O!A! 2/1
6. Have You Ever Been Lonely (version 2) O!A! 2/8
7. Have You Ever Been Lonely (Incomplete Alternate) O!A! 2/9
8. Have You Ever Been Lonely O!A! 2/10
9. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man NAFC 2/16
10. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man (outfake) O!A! 2/11
11. Good Rockin’ Tonight O!A! 2/12
12. Rip it Up O!A! 2/13
13. Blue Monday NAFC 2/19
14. Blue Monday (outfake) O!A! 2/14
15. Honky Tonk O!A! 2/15
16. Blue Suede Shoes O!A! 2/16
17. Shake, Rattle & Roll (partial) NFAC 2/22
18. Shake, Rattle & Roll (outfake) O!A! 2/17
19. Bo Diddley O!A! 2/2
20. Aint Got No Home O!A! 2/3
21. Holly Hop O!A! 2/4



Running Time Approx 35 minutes


O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings


This is really just Ohh! Annie! with tweaks.

I've added the extra version of Gone from Purple Chick (why isn't this on Ohh! Annie! ?), the I'm Changin' all Those Changes (fragment) from Purple Chick, and the original partial of Shake, Rattle & Roll from the new box.

I really had to think long and hard about this. There is a little more detail on CD2 of Ohh! Annie!, and in this respect they're clearly the best versions, but there's a lot more tape hiss at times. If the tape hiss is too much for anyone, then you won't lose masses of extra detail in the sound quality, so feel free - who am I to argue?

One more thing, you'll notice that the potential last two tracks are missing from here - the Clovis versions of Brown-Eyed Handsome Man and Bo Diddley - they're on the start on the next CD, as I feel they sit better there.

Comments, please? Have I missed anything or included anything twice in error?

Cheers.

Steve W

ps. BLAST! I've just noticed that this runs at 81 minutes. If anyone can think of a reason to get rid of that extra version of Gone from Purple Chick, just let me know.

SW

My suggestion is either edit out the take identification slates, get rid of one of the versions of Gone (oh the irony) or start CD 3 with a few leftovers from CD 2

As for tape hiss, I usually like to leave it in but limit it a little bit so it's not overbearing. It usually contains a lot of "life" and getting rid of it completely introduces ghostly digital artifacts which sound worse.

Chris Hopkins wrote:My suggestion is either edit out the take identification slates, get rid of one of the versions of Gone (oh the irony) or start CD 3 with a few leftovers from CD 2

So that extra version of Gone is a genuinely different version?

If that's the case, I'm most likely to split this into 2 CDs.

I largely agree on the tape hiss. But if you reduce this to mp3 for your portable I think the subtle nuances are pretty limited anyway, whilst the hiss will still be there. Horses for courses. For me, I'll stick with the hiss on these.

Many thanks.

Steve W

Okay, I've split this into two discs now - see above edited post.

I think it's probably nicer to have 'albums' that are not pushing the 80 minute listen, anyway. Unless it's a Pink Floyd concept album that's probably a bit too much to take in all at once.

If anyone is worried that they're going to have to search through dozens of posts to compile the whole thing once we've finished, don't. I'll be sure to enter a final post (or posts) when we're all done with the whole lot together.

Please feel free to keep checking these. We're looking for:

- Is anything 'missing'?
- Is anything there that shouldn't be (a duplicate)?
- Is anything in the wrong place (an overdub)?
- Is there better sound quality available elsewhere?

Cheers.

Steve W

This is excellent, and the finished item will be the definative complete Buddy, how cool is that.
A question about the track on the first disk; "My Two-Timin' Woman", why put both versions on the disk. It is the same take, the same version, and not fake, so why have both ?
Sorry I don't have the album "Gotta Roll" (yet)

Assuming the longer version has inferior sound compared to the edited version, why not edit both the missing portion from the full version to the better quality portion of the edited version, thus making a highest quality single file. It would save space on the disk and would save duplication, which is what it is in effect.

Dirk Diggler wrote:This is excellent, and the finished item will be the definative complete Buddy, how cool is that.
A question about the track on the first disk; "My Two-Timin' Woman", why put both versions on the disk. It is the same take, the same version, and not fake, so why have both ?
Sorry I don't have the album "Gotta Roll" (yet)

Assuming the longer version has inferior sound compared to the edited version, why not edit both the missing portion from the full version to the better quality portion of the edited version, thus making a highest quality single file. It would save space on the disk and would save duplication, which is what it is in effect.

Firstly, many thanks for the very kind comments.

Right, I thought this one might come up, and rightly so. It stroked my chin about it for a while, so believe me I definitely take your point.

First of all I've compared the sound quality on all four versions of the unedited track that I have: Purple Chick, Gotta Roll, Down the Line: Rarities, and the new box.

Of these I found that Purple Chick had a lot of tape his, to the point of being very distracting. With the other 3 versions (actually 2, Down the Line and the box are identical to my ears) there was significantly less tape hiss, and there was a dramatic improvement in this area.

Elsewhere the application of noise reduction has resulted in the loss of some detail and high frequency information. However, as is pretty clear from even a brief listen to any of the versions on offer, virtually none of this information is left on the recording, and the sound is very dull. Subsequently, the removal of hiss from the recording has had very little detriment to the sound quality – it’s only been a positive, so that’s Purple Chick ruled out.

Of the other two versions (either Gotta Roll or one of the two ‘official’ releases) I really couldn’t find any real difference at all.

So I broke my rule and went for Gotta Roll instead of the boxed set. Why? Well, because the other (edited) version is only on Gotta Roll, so it was easier for me to drag these onto the playlist together. I’m lazy! Feel free to use the boxed set version if you wish – there really is little or no discernable difference, to my ears at least.

By the way, I’ve no idea what equipment Buddy used to cut this track. Was it a tape? A wire recorder? Some sort of direct-to-disc cutting? Whatever, there’s an awful lot of noise on the track, but importantly Purple Chick appears to have a lot of tape hiss on top of the noise.

But why did I include both long and short versions? Well, you’re right in your guess that the sound quality of the edited version is slightly better (to my ears at least) than the same portion of the unedited version, so we need to get it on there somehow.

So why not just edit it into the other track to save space?

The answer to that is pretty simple, and threefold:

1 – I don’t have the necessary technology to edit the tracks in this way
2 – I don’t have the expertise to edit the tracks in this way
3 – It’s just not necessary for reasons of space. As you can see CD1 only runs at 46 minutes long anyway, so it’s not increasing the number of CDs you’ll need to burn.

I’ve tried to not let the number of CDs to be used bother me, as blank CD-Rs are extremely cheap. Record labels may feel the need to fill every CD with 80 minutes of content, and cram a compilation on to as few CDs as possible, as it costs them extra money to master, print, package, and ship every unnecessary disc. But for this project I think we can be decedent.

If anyone wishes to just fill up 80 minutes CDs to use the minimum number of discs possible, then that’s fine. They can edit the short version into the long one, etc.

I hope that helps to explain what I’ve done.

Steve W

Ps the long version is 2:20-ish whilst the short version is 1:25. Using a little basic arithmetic you can probably figure out where the shorter version originates.

SW

PPs One more point. Even at its best this track sounds extremely poor - it's close to unlistenable. If you only have the full version on the new box, Down the Line or Purple Chick you're really not missing out on too much.

S

This is maybe the right time to say the following.

I think you can see from the length of my reply to a question about what is effectively one recording, this is a complete minefield. I'm a Buddy Holly fan of over 30 years and just what I've done is a real headache at times, despite it being the holy grail of what I've waited for since the birth of CD.

Subsequently, I'm feeling a little less aggrieved at Universal (but just a little).

The person who was responsible for compiling the new box may well not be a Buddy Holly fan. They were not given access to the greatest resource available (JB's brain), they probably had to do the work in their own time, which was probably limited, and they probably felt that the prolonged legal wranglings and the appearance of Purple Chick would mean that they weren’t going to sell this in as big quantities as they otherwise might have.

Under those conditions, they've not done a bad job. Even some of the boxed-set tracks that I've replaced, I think the boxed-set versions are pretty close.

Steve W

Congratulations on all this; I can barely take it all in what you have done but I can agree its a lot of work and I am tempted to agree it gets a bit anal at times. But thats OK in this context.

I do remember one important thing; we discovered (Malcolm and I) a long time ago that Norman's Ampex tape machine that he used to master the Reminiscing album had a fault - the azimuth was out. This resulted in a swishing noise bewteen the stereo tracks. Over the years others have tried to correct this. As CH said, it needs remastering from the multitrack. But I think that is where the dodgy sound originates. Hoiw Norman missed this important error I don't know - all it needed was a slight adjustment on the record heads...

Cheers John.

Buddy has given me so much pleasure over the years it's a labour of love to contribute in any small way, and a real joy.

Disc 4 (1957 Jan-Jun) coming up. I'll hopefully post it later tonight if I get time.

My initial findings - I need to listen to this more closely on my 'phones when I get home, but it's mainly the boxed set, I think. Most of the mainstream tracks (Peggy Sue, etc) sound pretty much identical on all the releases.

Differences will be Bo Diddley + Brown-Eyed... from Ohh! Annie! at the start, the portion & the 'outfake' of Not Fade Away flown in from Purple Chick, and the alternate take of Peggy Sue and the undubbed Oh, Boy! from Purple Chick, too. Oh, and the scratched demo of Words of Love from Purple Chick.

That'll probably be it, but as I say I'll need to check more seriously at home.

Steve W

I believe My two timin' Woman was recorded on a wire recorder then transferred to acetate a few years later. That would double up on the noise.

The other day I was finally sent what I was told was the "alternate" Smokey Joe's Cafe.

I can confirm this is the version of Smokey Joe's that I have (it has been on many boots, etc). It is NOT an alternate version but "unedited" - I feel it is quite misleading of people to keep calling it an alternate version when clearly it is not.

Slight difference at the beginning and the delay and guitar mistake Holly makes after his very last phrase - that's the only difference.

The version we are familiar with that has these little things corrected is far and away much better quality and, let's be honest, a better listen.

It is splitting hairs as to whether this "unedited version" should have been on the new box set ...........difficult to know where to draw the line on this.

I was also sent the "outfake" of Not Fade Away which I had not heard before - I had heard someone else's poorer attempt to do this ............ but it really was poor. This one is good.

But again, what should fans be presented with; this or just the incomplete track ??

I'd agree with Steve here. If we must have an outfake, let's have one without the backing vocals.

Two in one here - all of 1957 in two parts.

The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 4: January to June 1957

Updated 18/01/10 c.12:29

1. Brown-Eyed Handsome Man O!A! 2/19
2. Bo Diddley O!A! 2/18
3. I’m Looking For Someone to Love FTOMT 9
4. That’ll be the Day FTOMT
5. Last Night (undubbed version) NFAC 2/30
6. Maybe Baby (early version) NFAC 2/31
7. Words of Love (scratched demo) PC 3/9
8. Words of Love FTOMT 12
9. Mailman Bring Me No More Blues NFAC 2/33
10. Not Fade Away (portion) PC 3/15
11. Not Fade Away (alternate) NFAC 2/34
12. Not Fade Away FTOMT 3
13. Not Fade Away (outfake) PC 9/34
14. Everyday FTOMT 6
15. Ready Teddy NFAC 3/1
16. Valley of Tears NFAC 3/2
17. Peggy Sue (alternate take) PC 3/21
18. Peggy Sue FTOMT 10
19. Listen to Me FTOMT 15
20. Oh, Boy! (undubbed version) PC 3/27


Running Time Approx 42 minutes


O!A! = Ohh! Annie!
PC = Purple Chick
NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
FTOMT = From The Original Master Tapes



The Ultimate Complete Buddy Holly
Disc 5: July to December 1957
Updated 18/01/10 c.12:29

1. I’m Gonna Love You Too FTOMT 11
2. Send Me Some Lovin’ (undubbed scratched master) NFAC 3/11
3. It’s Too Late (undubbed scratched master) NFAC 3/12
4. Oh, Boy! FTOMT 2
5. An Empty Cup (and A Broken Date) NFAC 3/14
6. Rock Me My Baby NFAC 3/15
7. You’ve Got Love NFAC 3/16
8. Maybe Baby FTOMT 5
9. Last Night NFAC 3/18
10. Send Me Some Lovin’ NFAC 3/19
11. It’s Too Late NFAC 3/20
12. Tell Me How FTOMT 4
13. Little Baby NFAC 3/22
14. You’re So Square (Baby I Don’t Care) NFAC 3/23
15. Look At Me NFAC 3/24
16. Mona (rehearsal) NFAC 3/25
17. Mona (1) NFAC 3/26
18. Mona (2) NFAC 3/27
19. Mona (3) NFAC 3/28
20. Rave On FTOMT 13
21. That’s My Desire (rehearsal) PC 4/11
22. That's My Desire (Two False Starts Plus Undubbed Master) NFAC 3/30


Running Time Approx 48 minutes


KEY

NFAC = Not Fade Away: Complete Studio Recordings
PC = Purple Chick
FTOMT = From the Original Master Tapes



This one was pretty easy - I'm not sure it takes much explanation.

The Ohh! Annie! tracks at the start have the best sound. The mainstream stuff sounds pretty much the same wherever you get it from. The rarer stuff tends to sound better on Purple Chick, though not always. Purple Chick has a few things missing from the new box - a portion of Not Fade Away, the faux-undubbed outfake of Not Fade Away, and the rehearsal for That's My Desire. I've put all of the Not Fade Away versions on here that I can find - there's room aplenty.

Just in case anyone is wondering why the first two tracks (Brown-Eyed.. and Bo...)are at the start of CD 4 and not on the end of CD3 - the boxed set lists them as late '56 or early '57. I know most people have them as '56, but I guess there's a genuine reason for debate, and are subsequently fair game. When it comes to choosing which way to go, the sound is a lot nearer the '57 tracks and not so much like the '56 recordings. The two tracks were recorded by Norman Petty in Clovis, just as I'm Looking For Someone to Love and That'll Be The Day were a little later: as demos, but as bloomin' great sounding demos.

So for me, their spiritual home is on the '57 disc. Feel free to move to '56 them if you like - there's plenty of room on CD3.

I've probably missed or duplicated something, or you may disagree about the sound. Let us know.

Disc 6 -1958 Studio Recordings coming up - probably tomorrow, possibly the weekend. It was quite easy, as were these two '57 discs. Then it's Disc 7 - The Undubbed Apartment Tapes (pretty easy too).

After that I'm going to need a little help. I'm pretty sure what I post will be wrong, as I'm not anything like as knowledgeable about the overdubs.

Disc 8 will be the Apartment Overdubs, Disc 9 the Other Overdubs, Disc 10 Odds & Sods, whilst 11 & 12 are just copies of the two Purple Chick Buddy & Friends discs.

Experts on what Buddy actually played on may want to comment on this, as I know there are some tracks on Purple Chick 7 & which some people now think Buddy didn't play on. There may also be others not on Purple Chick which we now believe Buddy did play on.

Your help and advice will be greatly appreciated, so get your pencils sharpened and your notes ready in advance, because this is an area about which I know little.

Steve W

Pecker wrote:17. Peggy Sue (alternate take) PC 3/21
20. Oh, Boy! (undubbed version) PC 3/27

I wonder why you've used these from Purple Chick instead of the box.
17. Peggy Sue (alternate take) NFAC 3/6
20. Oh, Boy! (undubbed version) NFAC 3/9

martin markus wrote:

Pecker wrote:17. Peggy Sue (alternate take) PC 3/21
20. Oh, Boy! (undubbed version) PC 3/27

I wonder why you've used these from Purple Chick instead of the box.
17. Peggy Sue (alternate take) NFAC 3/6
20. Oh, Boy! (undubbed version) NFAC 3/9

In my opinion the Purple Chick versions sound better.

I've just unplugged my headphone amp, etc, but I'll comment more on these two as soon as I get chance to re-listen so I can give more detailed comments.

If you have heard both and feel the new boxed-set versions are better, I'd be very interested to hear why. I don't have 'golden ears' and I may well be wrong in my choice.

Hopefully that's what this thread is all about.

Steve W

Frank wrote:To my knowledge the best quality copy of the Reminiscing album on CD is Universal's re-issue from 1999.

It's going to be a thread my wife won't like. A couple of nerds splitting hairs for a long time about best sound quality of tracks they have multiple times already. I like it

Just ordered this Cd out of faith in Frank (play.com EUR 3,99 free shipping new in stock). Please don't tell my wife

Pecker wrote:Rock Around With Ollie Vee O!A! 1/21

I remember preferring the version on Hollybilly to the version on Ohh! Annie! because there's a pop somewhere on the Ohh! Annie! version. I've got that Cd two times (jewel case and the other one) and both have the same problem. It always annoyed me because Ohh! Annie! would have been perfect without that pop and the sax version is not a track I already had multiple times (only three times ).

However this morning during breakfast I've listened again in order to tell you exactly at what time that pop can be heard but I couldn't spot it. I'll try again tonight when I have more time to find an opportunity my wife and son don't make a single noise.

On the box there's no pop for sure because it was about the first thing I've listened to very carefully when I received it.